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!!!!! STOP THE PRESS !!!!!!

Here is NS Bikes, 2013 soda FR2
not only 2.2kgs lighter but now with better forks AND!!!!!!!!!!!!!! a dropper seat post to boot!!!!!!
OOOOOOOhhhhw!!!!!! stick a fork in me im done!!!!!!

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Mode ... elID=85799

MuZzA

That is a good looking bike, if that means the 2012 soda drops in price i could be tempted by one of those frames !!

NOT HAPPY

Just been informed by (Duncan ) @ void bikes, that CRC have got it all wrong. This is not the FR2 for 2013.
The FR2 will still look the same as the 2012 edtn, but with few changes
MAIN CHANGES FOR 2013:
- L size now has a longer seat tube (432mm instead of 417mm)
- lighter frame (weight loss around 50g)
- longer bolt on grips with soft mushroom pattern.

An i want a medium, so that means one less change still ( L size now has a longer seat tube (432mm instead of 417mm)
All in all , might as well get the ol 2012 model for £400 less.

MuZzA

The bike outlet in York has the 2012 on sale for £1400 ! The frame alone on crc is £1300 !

Sent using the force...

??? That was the opening artical to this whole thread..........
You didnt read it did you
MuZzA

Clearly not!

Lol skim reading FTW!

Really good article and I have to say I agree with most of it. I would love nothing more than to have WC spec demo 8 or v10 but the reality is I have absolutely no use for it. As someone that rides 4x, bmx and pumps tracks a good 85% of the time it would just be WAY too much bike and no doubt be twice as hard. A few pages back someone mentioned HT are no fun well get yourself a dj/hack bike and spend a few hours at the local pump, bmx or 4x track and I bet you will be converted.

If people want to ride full down dh rigs then thats cool (if I could afford one I would) but for me I have riden a few places around the south west and find that my blender is more than capable of riding places like warley, porc and chicky. For me if I could have anything right now it would be the Pivot m4x a nice slack ful sus 4x bike but i think the reality is I will keep my blender and eventually get another HT and continue to ride what I love.

thats a sweet looking rig joe!

The flipside to the arguement is now up on Pinkbike

http://www.pinkbike.com/news/The-Argume ... -2012.html

I dont think theres much strength in this argument, I still 100% agree with ride with what makes you feel comfortable though..

But the against argument has a strong point in that MOST riders simply dont have local access to areas that really need these big bikes, like us in essex , this guy is only pointing out what we already know, that we would all hit these gnarly trails faster and better on a DH bike, but its how often do we get to them, I think a full DH rig would take fun out of places like danbury,

However, If i lived next to an uplift like triscombe and FoD. Hell yeah Id go Dh bike or big freeride bike all the way. I just dont think thats what the original argument was getting at, it was more tackling that you see alot of big bikes at venues where a shorter travel bike would be more advantageous.

Was just reading the article and not surprisngly it has lots of comments from various viewpoints. It is clear that a full on DH bike is prob a bit much for anything local BUT that doesnt make it less fun..I think they are pretty well suited to places like Danbury, of course you dont really make full use of long travel and huge disc brakes but they arent a bad thing really.

I have to agree with certain points the article makes that sitting atop a full on long travel slack DH bike does give you confidence when you are on mental DH tracks in the Alps, etc. Clearly it is possible to ride ttracks like that on short travel hardtails but IMO it does feel extrra terrifying....but various people view the fear/fun/safety factors differently.

Whilst not many of us do not live next to full on DH tracks I suspect a large majority to make trips to Alps and/or Whistler, etc. I personally probably spend a large percentage of my riding time in Morzine, although this is partially because I dont tend to go out as much locally.

So is the best solution simply to have two bikes or one decent 'hybrid', I'm leaning towards the former.

Andy

Yea If i had space for two bikes so would I, I spend more time at uplift venues then riding locally, and it would deffo be nice for the alps, but only having one bike, its nice to be able to go riding round the park when I cant make it out any further.

I def agree a big bike gives you loads of confidence over all sorts of terrain. this article is a little childish though