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That's understandable but this was most of the trail

Don't forget you have Nant yr Arian on the A44 just inland from Aberystwyth. So great trails and if you do the big loop you head right out into the uhlu and mountain of mid Wales on a 35km loop but with some awesome single track as well. http://mbwales.com/en/content/cms/centr ... arian.aspx

Cool, thanks for the advice so far, I've been looking at loads of videos and none of it apart from the black at antur looks like full face territory, would I be right? just xc stuff for the most red routes unless we go somewhere more specific?

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I've only ever worn a full face once in CYB and i think my head shrunk!
Not been to Antur, but it looks like full face stuff, everywhere else XC lid.