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Not sure if this bike was available before but Giant has released an entry level full sus for £1k for 2015 and its a gool looking bike, just like the rest of their trail bikes.

Basic components as expected but plenty of scope for upgrades after few months but I thought its a great budget buy for a full sus newbie.

http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-gb/bik ... ifications

That is a very good start point

That is an easy purchase for anyone getting in to MTB

How heavy?

too much

in that speck i would say its probably close to 15kg

Its probably right considering that Giant has decided not to mention it anywhere under the specifications.

And it's a sort of in between wheel size


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Giant never list weights for any of their bikes even the top spec.
Weight depends on bike size and all components have a build tolerance. So book weights aren't accurate anyway.

I would rather buy this for £199 extra and it not need any upgrades for a longer time.!!

https://www.canyon.com/_en/mountainbike ... tml?b=3573

love this disclaimer

BIKE CLASSIFICATION

Bikes in this category include those from categories 1 and 2 and are designed for harsher, unpaved terrain. The scope for these bikes includes occasional jumps up to a maximum height of 60 cm. Jumps of this scale can cause inexperienced riders to have accidents on landing, which can result in injury. Hardtail mountain bikes and full-suspension bikes with short travel are included in this category.

60cm! woooo thats double what i'm comfortable with.

Direct sale of course so no competition there but for a beginner I would not think it would be wise to order online without trying and seeing it. I had the same dilemma when I got into this 1yr ago and geometry chart, top tube length meant little to me back then. I just had to sit on it before buying.

Nevertheless, its an unbeatable package that Nerve.

@whytey..
Totally agree with you about the beginner going to a physical shop to see and test, but the shops I have around my way..Halfords, Evans etc
I would rather take my chance online...
And "I" certainly wouldn't give either of them my hard earned money..!!

Yep, now i would do the same. 30% mark up just for the previledge of touching it I guess.