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 Post subject: Step by step guide for a double and bash stinger install
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 12:51 pm 
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Thought id do a little guide as may help others, also handy if you havent removed a crank or chain wheel etc.

Bikes a 2011 Zesty 514 but will be pretty much the same on other bikes

all parts used are Blackspire and comprises of a 38 chain ring and a 24 granny ring with a stinger chain guide, crank is Shimano SLX Hollowtech 11.

i dont recomend doing it on the lounge floor unless the Mrs is out and no chance of getting home early :mrgreen:



parts, all nuts and retainers are included with the parts.

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A bike stand is handy if you have one

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and removing the chain will make things easier, so a good time to fit a quick link if you havent got one.

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1st remove crank starting by undoing non drive side, you will need an Allen key and a Shimano crank tool, remove Allen bolts first then undo centre cap with the Shimano tool, then simply wiggle off.

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Shimano tool

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next we need to remove the drive side, on the Hollowtech 11 its just a case of tapping out but other cranks may need the correct removal tool. With a lump of wood placed over the splined axle and a heavy Hammer give a few short sharp wacks on to the axle and the crank will be driven forward, a few wiggles by hand and it will come out..

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crank removed

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Next its time to remove old ring or rings depending on what you are wanting, you will need a star key and also a Peg tool to hold the rear of the sprocket bolts.

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Peg tool, about 3 quid from Evans.

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once removed just replace with the 2 new sprockets and fit the bash guard in place of the 3rd ring..

Now its time to fit the stinger, on my bike its the ISCG 05 version on others it may be different. simply screw in the 3 supplied screw in to the ISCG 05 fittings in the frame, set the stinger so its at least 10mm down from the chain stay on a full suss and at least 15mm on a hardtail. At this point just screw up lightly as may need to adjust on the next stage.

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Next put a bit of grease on the crank shaft and slide in the drive side (only) crank arm giving a few gentle taps to make sure its full in (this is important) as theres a measurement that is dependent on the crank being fully home.

you now need to take a measurement from the face/front of the stinger to the centre or tip of the granny ring, you are looking for a gap of between 4-6mm if gap is more than 6mm then you need to pack the rear of the stinger with the 3 supplied washers (hence why to not fully tighten up stinger yet) on mine i never needed then as the gaps 5mm.

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once gap is set its time to tighten the 3 stinger screws, so tap out crank again it will be easy now and refit once stingers done up, now refit non drive side of crank, slid onto shaft and with the Shimano tool screw in the plastic retaining screw so arm is pushed onto shaft and theres no play in the crank, now finish by doing up the 2 allen key bolts.

now you need to tighten the chain wheel on the stinger with 2 Allen keys, slide the wheel so its just touches the bash guard without putting pressure on the guard and causing resistant when turning crank.

now refit chain and set the H screw on the front mech so that the chain dosent rub against the bash guard when shifting, turn the H screw inwards (clockwise) to do this. once this is correct you wont be able to over shift by mistake as if you still had 3 chain rings, road test and adjust as needed..

and thats it..

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heres a link to Blackspires instructions

http://www.blackspire.com/site_assets/w ... _guide.pdf

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 Post subject: Re: Step by step guide for a double and bash stinger install
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 1:43 pm 
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Well done H :clap:


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 Post subject: Step by step guide for a double and bash stinger install
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 1:46 pm 
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Festa the lounge tip is brilliant :). I try and work on my bike in the lounge if I can and I have carpet which is high risk


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 Post subject: Step by step guide for a double and bash stinger install
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 1:48 pm 
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Brilliant guide I use a rubber mallet (for slab laying etc ) rather than wood and a hammer


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 Post subject: Re: Step by step guide for a double and bash stinger install
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 1:48 pm 
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Madasnibbor wrote:
Festa the lounge tip is brilliant :). I try and work on my bike in the lounge if I can and I have carpet which is high risk



The Higher risk the better mate, living life on the edge. defeating the Mrs lol. hope she dont see this thread :shock:

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 Post subject: Step by step guide for a double and bash stinger install
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 7:20 pm 
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Great Harry, when I get mine I know where to go get it fitted now :-)

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 Post subject: Re: Step by step guide for a double and bash stinger install
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 7:23 pm 
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:)

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 Post subject: Re: Step by step guide for a double and bash stinger install
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 7:45 pm 
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Thanks for posting the guide, really interesting and useful.

Bike looks lurvely BTW :mrgreen:


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 Post subject: Re: Step by step guide for a double and bash stinger install
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 10:00 am 
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Looks good H


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 Post subject: Re: Step by step guide for a double and bash stinger install
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 3:38 pm 
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carl wrote:
looks good H


cheers mate :D

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 Post subject: Re: Step by step guide for a double and bash stinger install
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 3:47 pm 
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Ok after todays maiden voyage theres a few issues that need sorting, first ive done already and thats i found the jockey wheel on the stinger wasnt running smoothly when on the bigger of the two rings and was causing a vibration from the chain links rubbing against it, answer was to just loosen the jockey and move away a few more mm from the bash to allow a bit of play. the instructions do say to have it tight to bash but found in my case didnt work best that way..

second issue is the 38 tooth chainring is only clearing the swingarm by about 1mm !, so way to close for comfort and could rub and cut into the carbon swingarm under flex. i never noticed this when fitting it all up "DOH".

So im now looking into putting a small 1-2mm spacer on the drive side of the crank to move it all over a bit to give a better clearance?? otherwise ill have no choice but to fit a smaller chain ring maybe a 36 or just stick the original 32 back on which is a shame as just spent £45 on the new gold Blackspire one :(

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 Post subject: Re: Step by step guide for a double and bash stinger install
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 5:22 pm 
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I found that the roller i have on my dewlie works much better in deep mud with a thin spacer inbetween the washer and plate on the inside of the roller.
it kept jamming prior to that making it very noisy and making drag.

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 Post subject: Re: Step by step guide for a double and bash stinger install
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 7:22 pm 
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Ive stuck the 32 back on for now so not got to worry about killing the swingarm :)

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 Post subject: Re: Step by step guide for a double and bash stinger install
PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 9:56 am 
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Festa wrote:
ok after todays maiden voyage theres a few issues that need sorting, first ive done already and thats i found the jockey wheel on the stinger wasnt running smoothly when on the bigger of the two rings and was causing a vibration from the chain links rubbing against it, answer was to just loosen the jockey and move away a few more mm from the bash to allow a bit of play. the instructions do say to have it tight to bash but found in my case didnt work best that way..

second issue is the 38 tooth chainring is only clearing the swingarm by about 1mm !, so way to close for comfort and could rub and cut into the carbon swingarm under flex. i never noticed this when fitting it all up "DOH".

So im now looking into putting a small 1-2mm spacer on the drive side of the crank to move it all over a bit to give a better clearance?? otherwise ill have no choice but to fit a smaller chain ring maybe a 36 or just stick the original 32 back on which is a shame as just spent £45 on the new gold Blackspire one :(


I too had the same issues I moved the jockey wheel away by a mil. I also put a BB spacer between stinger and BB to move it over, think thats all you will need to do im running a 40T ring so your 38 should be fine once spaced correctly


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 Post subject: Re: Step by step guide for a double and bash stinger install
PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 10:25 am 
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Were does your spacer sit then, on the outer face of the BB between there and the face of the crank arm? on the zesty the BB is a push fit so not sure i can do it the same way..

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